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Poster: paulypecker Date: Oct 24, 2008 11:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Streaming Help????

First off, I'd like to say it's sad to hear Merl has passed.He was a great musician and I'm sure a good man. I had just recently been listening to Merl and Jerry a lot,(10/28/72,1/17/74), to name just two. He'll be missed by many,I'm sure.As for my inquiry-I am new to the whole streaming scene so it's a bit hard for me to understand. I have been able to record some audio using Soundtap,which I assume is a good product,I don't know. I keep losing the stream when recording.Do I need some kind of static IP address or something? I really don't know anything about this either. And what should I be looking for on the download page? Can I use either the "Hi-Fi" or the "Low-Fi" stream? and what is that? Is there any format conversion involved?What are checksums,metadata and do I use these at all for audio or downloading? Is there any link that can explain all this or part of it somewhat simply? I would really like to be able to get soundboards but cannot get them this way,yet,that is.I know this is a lot to ask but I'm sure it's been talked about before here and I'm not sure where to look. I'm new here and still finding my way around in sort of a "trial and error" kind of way. What about iTunes? Is that worth learning to use-I tried and had difficulty-any info would be great. I really am only familiar with wav and Mp3 format-still can't figure how to use etree.And if I am able to get the stream and record would I have to do any kind of format conversion or anything like that to be able to play it on stereo? Do I have to worry about speed of something? Well, that's enough for now- but if anyone can shed some light on this situation I would be so thankful and,of course,grateful.

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Poster: srtg83 Date: Oct 25, 2008 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Streaming Help????



"Soundboards (and their matrix derivatives) are accessible in streaming format." any other information regarding soundboards is misleading and unnecessary. The user does not control how the stream is implemented. The user simply does not have a choice in the matter. So lets have the answer to the download soundboards question: "Soundboards (and their matrix derivatives) are accessible in streaming format."

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Poster: Ras ViKing Date: Oct 29, 2008 5:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Streaming Help????

"I have been able to record some audio using Soundtap ..."

Under no circumstances should you "record" a stream! It is a means that numerous [so called] people have advocated as a way of 'stealing' the soundboards from LMA. However, since almost all streaming is done using a lossy format what you are recording is lossy. If you then save it as a lossy file it gets reencoded and becomes really lossy. If you save it as a lossless file it can easily become confused with actual lossless files and really mess with the trading circles.

If you want to get the soundboards they're out there. They're easily gotten. Just not from LMA. That's the rules here. Poke around, ask in private, explore. They'll come rushing at you faster than you can procure additional hdd space to store them.

OH, btw WELCOME!!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Oct 29, 2008 6:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Streaming Help????

too simple, if you go to the show site and there is audio streaming only, then listen.
If there is a DL section, then the band gave full permission for DL'n the show.
There are a few GRATE torrent sites where you can live the pirates life and DL most any GD show you see here at it's looseless best.

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Poster: smgarcia Date: Oct 25, 2008 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Streaming Help????

1) It is not allowed to download soundboards. It can't be done and is against the terms and conditions of using LMA. So you are in the same boat as me and everyone else.

2) When streaming - the only difference between Hi-Fi and Low-Fi is how big the sound files are. The bigger the file, the better it sounds. HOWEVER, you will only hear the difference on very-very high end speakers. So if you have a slow internet connection just choose the low-fi. If you have a fast one you can choose either one and I don't think you will notice the difference.

3) Checksums and metadata - checksums is a software engineering trick to give the engineer a unique number for a very large file. The purpose of this unique number is reproducible everytime time you create it for that file. Say you are downloading a 1 GB file from the internet. This might take you several hours. How do you know at the end of it if you have every single bit from that file? That nothing got corrupted while you were downloading it? What you can do is also download the checksum for that file, which might be only 12 numbers (or 12 numbers and letters, for instance) and if you have the proper software on your computer you can run a checksum on that 1GB file, create your own, and compare yours to the one you downloaded. If they are the same then you know you have file in it's entirety, uncorrupted.

Example:
1 GB sound file has a check sum of 4fka2983847flk1
You download the 1GB file
You get the checksum of that file and it's 5jdfu938402ekdy

You realize you didn't get the file in it's entirety.

Metadata is just data or information about the files. It's basically useless and is generally stored in the database and is used when people do searches for information on LMA.

What I recommend is that you listen to the music on LMA, if you find any AUD recordings you like you can download them and manage them in iTunes if you like (that's what I do), and then stream the soundboards and enjoy them, hoping one day the surviving members of the Grateful Dead will change their policy. :-)

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Poster: Ras ViKing Date: Oct 29, 2008 5:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: META data useless??!??

"Metadata is just data or information about the files. It's basically useless and is generally stored in the database and is used when people do searches for information on LMA."

I'd have to differ with you on that. It can be very usefull. A while back I had an issue with data corruption on a dying hdd and lost a number of md5's and text files. Upon perusing the MEtA data files for the shows affected I was able to copy the included checksum info for the individual files of each set and "create" a md5 file I could use to verify the files in question.

And since I had grabbed all of the META data files I was also able to 'recreate' the TXT files I had lost.

From there it was easy to figure out which files and filesets I needed to regrab. It also brought to the forefront the need to archive everything!

Oh cr4p! Writing this post has put me even further behind in that respect.

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Poster: Stealz Date: Oct 25, 2008 12:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Streaming Help????

Let's see.... where to start?

Try here:

http://www.archive.org/about/faqs.php#215

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Poster: paulypecker Date: Oct 25, 2008 12:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Streaming Help????

OK I do have Filezilla but don't know how to use it> It opens in my Winamp and that's as far as I can get.Thanks for your help-there's so much to learn it seems overwhelming but it probably isn't,I hope. I will try to work with it and read more of the FAQ's but if you have any advice re: Filezilla and how I use it PLEASE tell me. Thank you so much!

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 25, 2008 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Streaming Help????

About Grateful Dead concerts on the Archive

Audience-made Grateful Dead concert recordings are available as downloads while available soundboards are accessible in streaming format only.

The Grateful Dead is being separated from the Live Music Archive into its own collection (with its own forum) to avoid confusion about lossless availability. The metadata and reviews for shows and recordings, even those not available for regular download, will remain available for those who maintain direct links. No filesets have been deleted from the Archive; certain items are simply not public now. Prior to our completing the changes, text files are easily referenced at a separate database.

At this time, the Grateful Dead collection is not open to public uploads. The Grateful Dead Internet Archive Project (GDIAP) will continue its direct management of this collection for the time being.

As far as we know, there has been no change to standard GD fan trading. It is common for bands to have policies that differ between fan trading, versus archiving here.

What are the options for streaming a full recording?

Hi-Fi: An MP3 playlist, readable by most players, that has the addresses of MP3 files encoded with a variable bit rate.

Lo-Fi: An MP3 playlist, readable by most players, that has the addresses of MP3 files encoded with at a constant bit rate of 64 kilobits per second. These files are ideal for users with slower Internet connections.

What are the options for downloading a full recording?

Update 5/2006: Please note that due to a major system transition, many items' ZIP files (for their "Lossless" links) have been deliberately disabled for the time being. Engineers are still working on the best method for the new system.

Lossless: A ZIP file containing Shorten files or Flac files. Unlike formats like MP3, lossless formats are true to the original - there is no degradation in quality.

Hi-Fi: A ZIP file containing MP3 files encoded with a variable bit rate to deliver high quality at roughly 160kilobits per second.

Lo-Fi: A ZIP file containing MP3 files encoded at a constant bit rate of 64 kilobits per second. These files are ideal for users with slower Internet connections.

FTP: Using an FTP client you can log in to the Archive's servers and download all of the files at once.